XJ Maki wrote:I think it's a great idea, include the big property as well as a few others. I would make a suggestion to start out with just NEA clubs....get our own house in order first....
I think it would be good for the NEA to co-ordinate runs at those trails for NEA member clubs much like how the NEA private property runs are co-ordinated. Have the trails directors come in and select dates so that there's no duplication and to minimize overuse by the NEA at least. Similar really to what has already been done by asking all NEA clubs not to cross the water at OFR, that water crossing now looks a ton better than it did several years ago
rblank wrote:Gee, wouldn't the responsible use of land and the education of doing it be the whole reason for the NEA?
rblank wrote:I have a bit of a different take on things.
While the concept of what's being discussed is a good one, I think the execution needs a differnet approach. All of the volunteers and people in land use are spread to thin right now. There's too many things going on a too many different levels and the result is people doing there own little things. Equals status quo or slow, sporadic progress.
Imagine if you will (que Twilight Zone theme) the concept of bringing ALL the people interested in land use across ALL the different clubs, associations, forums, colitions, etc....whatever. Imagine them ALL on the same page, making a COORDINATED effort in the battles we faced. Each person leaning on the expertise of others, but responsible for a certain piece of the puzzle.
Cliff notes anology for those getting bored:
-bunch of little pebbles into a pond = little ripples, disappate quickly
-BIG boulder into pond = huge ripple effect, lasting impression w/ aftershocks.
I've thought about this a great length recently. Not only as a result of other people (Mike Belben for example) but from my own experiences. I tried to take on too much at one, got frustrated, wound up burnt out. The sport NEEDS to get together on the same page. There needs to be a CONCENTRATED effort and stance about our issues. THEN people (i.e. governmental agiences, regardless of the level.) will take notice and know we mean business. There's too much division in the sport, and we've created most of it ourselves. Jeepers vs Full sizers, Northern New England vs. Southern New England, my club vs. your club, NEA vs East Coast. WE'RE as much to blame for killing our sport as the Greenies. Politics within our own sport is going to continue to bring us down.
Cliff notes anology #2:
Say your trying to build a building.
- No plans, General Contractor, or end goal = Subs doing whatever they want, no idea what you're going to get.
- Good solid foundation with a plan, someone coordinating the effort, hard, taingable goals = Beautiful award winning building.
someone, something, somehow we all HAVE to get on the same page.
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mike_belben wrote:im for getting whatever old NEA vs EC4WDA hatchets buried. i dont know about the poop from ten years ago, and i dont need to. i dont want to be slowed down by the BS or told who my friends are. i want to be able to call dave brill, mike chapline, scott hatch or paul regish and know we are all in the same war, as allies.
does yesterdays poop make a difference today? absolutely, it makes us all less effective at lobbying the enemy (state gov't) for what we all share a deep desire for. public wheeling appropriations. does it serve any other purpose?
no.
if all wheelers combined are only "4-6%" of parks user's as the DCR claims (who on earth knows how you can determine it) and all land use guys find out quick that a tiny fraction will actually participate.. well guess how many wheelers you need to reach out to in order to make the DCR take notice? 3.79 billion. NEA needs EC4 like EC4 needs NEA.
me and paul will hold hands and you guys can join our big gay bandwagon when you're ready.
:gaywave:
Paul wrote:Joe in charge of Coy Hill? Or Joe in charge of the whole Massachusetts ball of wax??
Let get him!!!! Joe for Mass Land Use Chairperson!!!
Scott Hatch wrote:Actually what I was proposing was a coalition of of all interested parties, it has worked with great success here in out west. Friends of the Rubicon is one example of a coalition created from all interested parties.
Friends of Coy Hill
I would like to appoint Joe O as the leader of this group as he has already had the most interaction with all intrerested parties, he is local to the issue, and obviously this is an issue he cares about.
Paul wrote:Why do we have SO many clubs? take a look back at each club that was formed over the past 5-7 years, every single one of them was formed because one group of leaders in the club didn't see eye-to-eye with the other group of leaders. Again, cooks/pot analogy. How do we get all these head-strong cooks/leaders that all want to do it their own way....to work together in the same kitchen??? I'm all ears. I'd love to do it.
XJ Maki wrote:I'm confused.
I was thinking more of like a simple brain trust/meeting of the minds place where we could discuss over-use, and what we can do to minimize it, coordinate clean ups, maintenance days etc. there could be a schedule posting thing there.
Paul wrote:I just think you're not going to get the average joe unaffiliated wheeler or everyone from EC if you do it on here or neow. that's just the view from my seat, I may be off. I've been off my game lately.
tammylynn wrote:I am? I'm NEVER right...EVER....
But I know I'm only right because I agreed with you in the first place. Kidding...I'm kidding.
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