is this going to work with NEA and EC4 divided or do we require a unifying organization?
Agenda:
Introductions
Trails
Action:
Compare our trail lists (minus private property). Whatever we share, discuss the legalities and sources involved. Is it open? Is it questionable? Decide to take it off the table or not. Leave the rest on the table.
Purpose:
We need a definitive list because if we don’t even know what we have, how can we tell the states we need more? Also for the Draft Trail Management Plan
People
Action:
List clubs and estimates of members.
Purpose:
Resource management
NE TRAIL MANAGEMENT PLAN (Rough Draft)
Action:
Assign clubs to trails…sort of an “adopt a trail” program. “X” club from NEA and “X” club from EC adopts “Y” trail. These clubs will be the stewards for that trail, environmentally and publicly. Of course club numbers and location would need to be accounted for, meaning NEA may have 2 clubs to 1 of EC’s on a given location or vice versa.
Purpose: Better coordination during land use issues, quicker response to negative publicity, and easier to facilitate clean-ups and/or environmental concerns.
Action:
Create a usage matrix showing what clubs will be using what trails/roads throughout the year. Private trails included (although “private” would be the title of the trail).
Purpose:
Knowing what clubs will be where, the Associations will have a greater understanding of what trails are seeing over-use and will be able to suggest alternatives.
Action:
Make sure members have or carry NEA or EC cards/stickers/something…
Purpose:
Identification during trail runs
Scott Hatch wrote:
DAVE: December 1st it is
mike_belben wrote:agenda looks good IMO
has a date/location been decided on or in the works?
ive noticed its commonplace to go to meetings (not just in the 4wd world) and discuss what "we need to do" and then leave without delegating specific tasks to specific members with specific deadlines, leaving the handful of concerned people to do everything. i just wanted to bring up the idea that managing people's efforts will be key to accomplishing anything.
we have a lot of eager volunteers, we have a list of things to do. just have to be sure that someone manages to match an item listed to a volunteer.
JayZR2 wrote:Scott Hatch wrote:
DAVE: December 1st it is
Noontime
Charlemont Inn
Scott Hatch
Steve Alheim
Dave Brill
Paul Regish
Liza Snow
Tammy Van Gemert
Steve Alheim
Jason Ghelli
tammylynn wrote:I am only attending to take Minutes and I can record the tasks and assigned volunteers.
rblank wrote:tammylynn wrote:I am only attending to take Minutes and I can record the tasks and assigned volunteers.
I don't buy that for a single second! You? Not voice an opinion?! Never happen....
tammylynn wrote:Hey.... I will bring duct tape. Honestly-there will be enough opinions floating around and I planned to just be the note taker. Thanks alot Rog...just when I thought we were getting along....
Scott Hatch wrote:Zaedock wrote:First, I want to let you know that the meeting went pretty well. There were quite a few new landowners I haven't previously met, and they're happy that we're helping out. A couple weren't happy, but I'll do a write up for the meeting in the FOCH forum later.
A disturbing thing happened tonight. Roughly toward the end of the meeting, after I assured the landowners that the responsible organized enthusiasts are ready to help the situation, Dave Kopacz (Ware Conservation Commission Chair) asked if we knew Underground Jeeps. Apparently, someone from UJ has been approaching the landowners in the area and asking for permission to wheel their land. This has been done within the last two weeks.
These are several posts made by Joe Kaminski from UJ:
kcvikingrun Reply #13 on Yesterday at 8:44pmthe real problem is rich banfield cutting trails in no go zones. this was building but hit the fan when he did that. Hey be glad that in two months we have had two articles in the paper pushing our efforts. We will survive, just hope to many other clubs dont keep pushing and pissing people off. I have numerous volunteer acts we are doing to rise above the rest. Just remember guys as long as you stick with us and do our part undergroundjeeps will never go away. There's only one side "the dark side"
This post is a contradiction. I do not comprehend how "other" clubs are pushing and pissing people off, when he is soliciting for land owner permission when the situation is very sensitive. Also, that first newspaper article brought so much attention to the area, IMO, it was the catalyst to the recent events.
kcvikingrun Reply #6 on Nov 5, 2007, 6:33pmno dont say A word.. you know how high up I went
to get in that article...Leave the politics to me I have us covered. I will have isolated maps and permission slips soon that every driver will carry with him/her if they are caught in areas they are not supposed to be they are banned. I told you Ive been busy.. Just out of sight
I know that Underground Jeeps has many responsible members who are willing to do the right thing. I can't understand why someone, especially with the situation the way it is, would approach a landowner and ask to wheel their land (currently damaged land). I am not trying to pick on Underground Jeeps, but their name has been tossed around all over by landowners and local wheelers. Dave Brill really needs to address this. Let me know what we can do.
Talk soon,
Joe
I think the best thing we can do is approach both Steve and Brill with this latest information. UJ is working against a combined effort damaging our position. If they are still unwilling or unable to restrain Joe I think we start laying out the facts to the public about UJ, their efforts to undermine ours for their own selfish use, and the eyewitness reports of Jeeps with UJ seen on their hoods.
Scott Hatch wrote:I have been extensively working on the land issue. I have a plan soon to be open topic of a terrain park here in mass. Exclusively gated for us only. No ifs and or buts. Ill keep the etails quiet for a while longer but have faith guys we are not like the rest of these ding bats cutting trails and arguing with towns. Just hang in there and soon enough we will be on the top. Just because a man or club has been around for 20 years doesnt mean they know an azz from an elbow. Dont forget I wrote the book on politics I had a long phone call with one of our state reps and things are in the works...
jsongy wrote:I've stated multiple times that I wish to work with your group. I have little knowledge other than what you post as to Joe K's intentions. I have posted my contact number- to get no response. I have spoken on this forum regarding Rich Banfields cleanups. I also have NO DECALS other than factory equipt on my Jeep. Now that I've ranted on what appears to be deaf ears, what can I do to assist?
jsongy wrote:I've stated multiple times that I wish to work with your group. I have little knowledge other than what you post as to Joe K's intentions. I have posted my contact number- to get no response. I have spoken on this forum regarding Rich Banfields cleanups. I also have NO DECALS other than factory equipt on my Jeep. Now that I've ranted on what appears to be deaf ears, what can I do to assist?
adk_tj wrote::shock: Thanks....
Kinda wished you coulda PM'd me that, but too late now...
markdupont wrote:adk_tj wrote::shock: Thanks....
Kinda wished you coulda PM'd me that, but too late now...
Come-on man, we need to put ALL the cards on the table otherwise how are we supposed to fixt things????
adk_tj
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Posts: 24
Location: NY
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject:
Something CAN be done Dave...I'll call you tonight (or tomorrow).
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Joe Kaminski wrote:John let me write briefly under his name otherwise I havent been here since we parted ways. I need people to understand from where I come from. I have changed alot over the past few years and donate many hours to volunteer work, through the worcester chamber of commerce,corridor nine, and the appalachian mtn club. I come from a long back ground in politics mostly conservation. My mother was on the conservation commission, mass congress of lakes and ponds, and wrote for the telegram. Obviously when the articles were written they come out different then when they were spoken. The man who wrote the rticle was on the board of the mass fisheries and wildlife, whom I had a direct interview with. He is actually a good friend of my mothers. This activity around coy hill has gone back to some of your larger clubs meeting at the rock house reservation for years. I was made aware by my mother who used to do wildlife photography who couldnt even park in the STATE parking lot due to 30+ jeeps hoarding the area.
We dont need to point fingers but I havent bothered anyone but people are stealing sections off my board and manipulating them into things they arent. I started talking with the town officials and others long before this happened, when I heard from a police officer that things were buiding. Now I understand that I speak for my group and you are managing an effort for many more 35 clubs? So here's what ill offer: Id like to sit with joe o and a few others and offer my resources of officials which goes as far as the state house. I will make our efforts run parallel rather than cross. All I ask is that people stop bothering me when this is done. I dont drink anymore, I run a company, I have a great life. I have my own land negotiated. When we run coy its usually 4-8 jeeps and thats it. Most of my members live within 10 miles of it. I cant monitor all of them going up there. If anyone can get a plate number of one of my guys allegedly CUTTING, let me know Ill kick thier azz and ban em. I worked way to hard to lose everything over a few idiots. Remember you have been in this sport many of you for 20+ years. I have been here for 3! Now if you think about the contacts I have made and the articles being written, Id look more as I will be here in 20 years and be very well established so lets live together and stop thriving on accusations, If at any point anyone wants to contact me call me. 774-262-7278 Lets save coy and move on. Joe Kaminski
Id like to sit with joe o and a few others and offer my resources of officials which goes as far as the state house. I will make our efforts run parallel rather than cross
Scott Hatch wrote:I agree with you about the disgust with after school drama special but its a reality we need to face and intentional or not one that is undermining our joint efforts. Its about accountability for the clubs within our respective Associations and the members within our clubs. Both of our organizations have leverage that can be used towards this goal.
Paul wrote:Id like to sit with joe o and a few others and offer my resources of officials which goes as far as the state house. I will make our efforts run parallel rather than cross
Well, there's hope.
Other than that......I'll do what my mommy taught me.
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